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galaxymeteor
#46
旧 2005-08-06, 08:46
对了,关于币别,玻利维亚用的是bolivian,约8.08比一美金,大约1玻币=4台币.
秘鲁用新索尔,约3.2比一美金,大约1索尔=10台币.
原帖地址: 背包客栈自助游论坛 https://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936#post50524
秘鲁的物价和台湾差不多,同样的纪念品大约是玻利维亚的三倍价格.所以能在玻利维亚多买些就多买吧!

我的旅程因为时间短又没有预先订票,所以交通费略高.
除了台湾利马来回机票46500,这三周总花费约2万台币,这两万包含了lima - la paz这段260美金的机票以及马朱必朱头等舱来回火车票100美金.

从玻利维亚玩回秘鲁的话对于适应天气和海拔都不是问题.建议近期要去的朋友用洋葱式穿着,短袖-长袖-暖长袖-外套,要到盐湖的话那几天得同时穿两件裤子上身,加上两层袜子(袜子+毛袜),还有手套和毛帽,以及遮阳帽,太阳眼镜,乳霜,防晒油.凉鞋和布鞋建议都带着.

从盐湖到oruro来回的火车都建议穿上全部御寒衣物以及两层裤子袜子,再把睡袋带上车裹着,因为晚上相当冷.不过在火车上上厕所很方便,座椅也比较宽敞,车窗外的景色无论是星空还是白天都很有特色.

卸妆湿纸巾,干洗手是从玻利维亚到秘鲁都一直很好用的东西,因为很多时候你会发现无法洗澡,洗脸以及洗手.牙线和洁口片在搭长途车也很好用.万金油,小护士,感冒/肠胃/咳嗽/化痰/消炎药等都多少带一点,都用得上.伙伴在途中还露了一手用小护士和硬币刮痧的绝技,看得两个比利时女孩目瞪口呆.

对了,人多的话记得带赌具,我们靠着一付纸牌和一盒骰子打发了许多时间,在盐湖时比利时女孩被我们一指点也跟着我们玩骰子玩得不亦乐乎呢!

高山症的话,以我前几年走陆路进西藏的惨烈经验和这次直接搭飞机到拉巴斯的生龙活虎比较起来的话,个人觉得搭飞机是最快克服高山症的方式.一下飞机大概渐渐会头痛几个小时,小睡一下起来活动就好多了,再睡一晚就可以完全适应.再到海拔更高的地方还会经历一次头痛,不过只要记得呼吸以及放慢,头部保暖,带些黑糖姜茶泡一下,睡觉蒙个口罩或是毛巾,心情放轻松就会很快适应了.

不过高山症的反应时间还是因人而异,我们有伙伴连续服用高山症药物数天,却是各项反应最激烈的.有好几个伙伴是没吃药却一下子就如履平地了.古柯茶我买了一把叶子,泡热水喝了一口就全部倒掉了,味道是...满树叶的.后来才知道买叶子的话要用煮的.到了秘鲁有的饭店会附赠包装好的古柯茶包,由于没反应就没打开来喝.没尝过不知道味道如何.
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#47
旧 2005-08-07, 23:44
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作者: Mario
欢迎回来 ^_^
很高兴又听到一个喜欢上拉丁美洲的.

Mario
2005.08.05.
烟斗也很喜欢啊!
南美洲多棒啊~
可能....一方面是情感因素影响吧!特别爱智利....
前天(8月5日,周五)刚回台湾,原本一大早6点要到,却被这台风搅局,搞得我得到香港赤腊角机场半日游....
回到台湾已经下午3点多了....
昨天就去平溪的十分出差,看一堆情人放天灯晚会,一整天....
今天庆祝爸爸节,带爸妈去三义、胜兴、龙藤断桥,去看自己最近在做的案子,观光、亲子郊游兼勘查....

这趟去智利北部、玻利维亚也还有一堆可以提供出来的行程数据,还有待烟斗稍微轻松点时再整理一下出来吧!
接下来到10月几乎每个周六日都得出差吧....努力....~
wranger
#48
旧 2005-11-16, 23:31
游览玻利维亚西南部特殊地理景观的TOUR都是以UYUNI为起点﹐所以在UYUNI比价下单是最经济的﹐除非你是从外地坐夜车来(一般9:00以前抵达)﹐一下了车就立刻要接上当天10:30AM出发的旅游团。

出团的最低人数标准是6个游客加上一个司机兼导游和一个厨子﹐刚好塞满一部8人座的4轮传动吉普车﹔如果一次出团在两部车以上﹐厨子就会两到三部车共用一位﹐空出来的座位自然不会浪费﹐一部车就变成载7个游客。

旅行社与车主是互不隶属的﹐彼此之间只是合作关系﹐所以在淡季时﹐一部车会有两个以上旅行社的游客拼凑起来的状况﹔因此不论你付了多少钱给旅行社﹐你所得到的服务是和同车其他旅行社的游客完全一样。我就遇到过这种状况﹐这次的3天2夜西南之旅﹐全车只有我付的是USD60﹐而其他人都是付了USD80。我的旅行社是ESMERALDA﹐在火车站的斜对面。

TOUR从1到5天都有﹐ESMERALDA提供的淡季价格是一天的USD20﹐1天的TOUR只参观广达12000平方公里的盐湖区﹐其实只有在雨季的时候称得上是湖﹐在旱季时是一片广袤雪白的盐“漠”﹔2天的TOUR USD40﹐夜宿盐湖区的COQUESA隔天再爬火山TUNUPA﹔3天的TOUR USD60﹐夜宿SANJUAN与LAGUNA COLORADO﹔4天的USD65﹐夜宿SANJUAN﹐
LAGUNA COLORADO与VILLA ALOTA﹔5天的USD70﹐等于前述的2天行程与3天行程的组合。如果想从玻利维亚南端的HITO CAJON出境同时入境智利﹐则应参加3天的游程并在第三天上午游完LAGUNA VERDE之后离队。

以上价格不含HOT SHOWER﹐盐湖区的“鱼岛”及LAGUNA COLORADO国家公园入园费。


从LA PAZ没有直达UYUNI的车﹐即使买的是全程票﹐也需在ORURO转车。搭3:30PM从LAPAZ出发﹐到了ORURO后再接8:00PM到UYUNI的车﹐隔天上午5:00到达﹔ORURO以南的道路崎岖颠簸﹐车内空气难闻(车体老旧、乘客身上的味道及很多乘客的手提货物都有腥臭味)﹐睡眠品质不会太好﹐如果在UYUNI不过夜就直接跟团必须要有很好的体力。
原帖地址: 背包客栈自助游论坛 https://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936#post77757

从LA PAZ到UYUNI的车要到TERMINAL搭﹐UYUNI线至少有三家售票公司﹐价钱从55~65Bs﹐但大家搭的却是同一辆车﹐所以先至少问过三家的价钱再买票。
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gypsygirl
#49
旧 2005-11-29, 11:07
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作者: naive
想请问各位知不知道由 la paz 去 uyuni 有什么交通工具?

我知有巴士, 需坐 13 hrs, 但班次及详情仍未找到

xie xie
详细班次大概很难在网络上找到吧!
即使到了当地的巴士站,也看不到班次表.都是直接问何时有车.
我不知道从La Paz有没有直达车到Uyuni,不过13个小时可能会坐到抓狂.
当初我从Sucre到Uyuni,虽说买的也是直达车,但还是得在Potosi换车.而且Potosi到Uyuni这段路路况很颠簸,比起按摩椅是有过之而无不及,车程大约6小时.
建议你行程可以放缓一点,考量一下体力.
daren
#50
旧 2006-01-09, 08:51
即使秘鲁及Bolivia波丽维亚都个自宣称拥有60%的Titicaca湖.但无疑的是Titicaca湖最美的部份在Bolivia波丽维亚侧.由其是登上Isla de Sol南端山顶可看的mt. Illampu mt. Ancohuma 及Isla de Luna,雄伟的冰封高山与平静典雅的Titicaca湖,值得令人凝视良久.

同样是Titicaca湖伴的城镇Copacabana,Bolivia要比Puno,Peru漂亮的太多了!登上Cerro Calvario可以看到整个Copacabana及Titicaca湖.可以在湖畔租脚踏车或是划船,Titicaca湖可能是我见过最宁静平和的湖泊,适合划船运动.相较Lago de Nicaragua的波涛似海,及淡水鲨鱼更是截然不同.

Isla de Sol是Titicaca最大的岛屿,南边可看到波丽维亚,北边可看到秘鲁.天气晴朗时可看见过东北面的mt. Illampu,6300m 雄伟冰封高山与Titicaca湖堪称绝景,如果不幸天候不佳值得在岛上多待上一日,通常到午后天气较晴朗.若在岛上停留过一日,可往北边健行,单程约2hrs需付门票Bs$10含Chincana Ruins 门票,但Chincana Ruins没啥看头不必期望太多.健行请携带防晒乳液,雨具,御寒衣物.

食:Isla de Sol岛上食物较贵,平均一餐约Bs$20,可从Copacabana携带食物过去.
值得一提的是Copacabana可吃到Titicaca的淡水鱼,湖岸边有烤鱼餐,一只Bs$15半只Bs$8.市场内有煎鱼餐,一只Bs$12半只Bs$6.

住:Isla de Sol住宿价格可找到Bs$10~与Copacabana一般.但需从码头约步行40~50mins上坡到Yumani,很累.Bs$10才nt$41真是够便宜的!


交通:每日8:30am 1:30pm皆有船Copacabana往Isla de Sol Bs$10 90mins!!
Isla de Sol往Copacabana 11am; 4~5pm Bs$10~15 90mins!!
Internet在Copacabana特贵,Bs$10~15,请到La Paz在上网Bs$2~3,或到Puno S1,
Isla de Sol无 Internet

规划建议:2~3日游,半日Copacabana,1~2天Isla de Sol.最少1日,上午Copacabana,下午Isla de Sol

ps.Titicaca 在Inka语发 Titihaha ! Titikaka是西班牙语发音

1usd = 8Bs Boliviano money
1usd = 3.4S Soler

more fotos
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/daren102/album?.d.../ph/daren102/my_photos

Daren@Las Americas


Illampu 6360m


mt Illampu mt Ancohuma and Isla de Luna


Copacabana Cathedral




原帖地址: 背包客栈自助游论坛 https://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936#post91819


the way up to Cerro Calvario 4000m
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meyerw
#51
旧 2006-01-09, 09:42
In Copacaban I stayed at Lodge Emperado $10/B per night. But the service is not quite good. When I wanted to check out, the lady asked me for the double price for the room. The good thing is that I did ask them to write down the cost on the paper and have it with me. So she has no word to say.
When I checked in, she told me : no worries about hot water. It's 24 hour hot water. NO way, two nights I had cold water. Can you image it taking cold shower on such cold night?
So I was thinking : What Bolivianos say ... 听听就好, 不要太认真, 也不必生气.
原帖地址: 背包客栈自助游论坛 https://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=936#post91836
Yes, it is very hard to walk up hill from bus station in Copacabana. 因Copacabana 的海拔也很高. 背着全部家当前后各一个背包(about 22kgs) 往上走真的很辛苦.

我从Isla del Sol 由北往南走, I spent around 3 hours. oh...yes, in Isla del sol, it rains in the morning quite often. When it rains, the weather is totally cold. 记得带雨衣. but 手很冷. 真想戴家里洗碗的手套.
I asked one of the hostals in Isla del Sol for the cost per night. The owner told me $20/B. I think the cost is quite OK.

It is nice to try good trout in Copacabana. I tried one in the market. It costs $15/B whole fish. It tastes good, 吃的很撑. The local restaurant I tried is on Calle Pando (near Av 6 de Agosto end). 路口有家果汁店. 向老伯买一杯只要2/B, 跟他老婆买要2.5/B. 有跟老伯聊天, 他很和善. 说年轻人都往大都市去了. 他的儿子也在La Paz 工作.
daren
#52
旧 2006-01-10, 00:01
New fotos comming

Indeed , hotel in Copacabana is cheap,but not good service. My room only charge Bs$10, but you need to pay more Bs$5 for shower!! And it lack water always ....

Isla de Sol hotel no this problem, for cooking by my self charge 5BS.

Yeah , dont miss jugo there!! cheap and nice
meyerw
#53
旧 2006-01-10, 23:13
To me, it is so cold at night in Copacabana even the time I visited is 20~ of Nov. (almost summer time there)
Can you image how cold it is by taking a cold shower?
It's hard for me to image it to take cold shower in July or Aug.

Yes, I also need to pay 5/B for the breakfast. But it's all cold stuff. It'll be better if you eat outside instead of having it at cheap lodge...or maybe cook your own.
daren
#54
旧 2006-01-10, 23:36
Ha.. I didn´t take a shower for 4 days. I´m wanderer backpacker. <:o)

Well ..It seems everything extra service need pay money. However, I met a Honk Kong girl in Copacabana. She paid Bs$80 for hotel everything include it.

For me ... I would pay Bs$10 only. jaja



Daren@La Paz, Bolivia
daren
#55
旧 2006-01-16, 01:25
Take train to Uyuni is best way!!!
Take bus from La Paz to Oruro. 3.5hrs 15bs
Then take train from Oruro to Uyuni. 8hrs 31bs to 40bs
Ourao to Uyuni, every Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
you can sleep in the Uyuni train station when you arrive at Uyuni at 3am!!! Take a tour at morning time. All tour leave at 10am!!

Daren@ Santa Cruz, Bolivia

[quote="gypsygirl @ 2005-11-29 11:07";p="144356
我不知道从La Paz有没有直达车到Uyuni,不过13个小时可能会坐到抓狂.
当初我从Sucre到Uyuni,虽说买的也是直达车,但还是得在Potosi换车.而且Potosi到Uyuni这段路路况很颠簸,比起按摩椅是有过之而无不及,车程大约6小时.
建议你行程可以放缓一点,考量一下体力.[/quote]
La Paz有车到Uyuni, 13hrs 60bs , leave at 4pm arround
3 to 4 company run this route ...but La Paz到Uyuni这段路路况很颠簸,too ....

Potosi到Uyuni ........
很很很很很很很很颠簸..... and ez get crowed !!!
I went from Uyuni to Potosi, and all full no seat!! The car stoped beacuse rainning too heavy!! I slept on the floor in that car..... damn ... terrible ... It was a long long run.... 14hrs .... :'(
Durning raining season dont take that route!!!
daren
#56
旧 2006-01-16, 01:37
updating new 2006/1/13

I just paid us$15 for tour <:o) <:o)

one day tour US$15 to 20
two days tour US$30 to 35 to 40
tree days tour US$60 to 80

one day tour is all the highlight!!

how to get there!!
前往Salar de Uyuni 盐湖搭火车是最轻松的方式
check LP about Oruro train
Take train to Uyuni is best way!!!
Take bus from La Paz to Oruro. 3.5hrs 15bs
Then take train from Oruro to Uyuni. 8hrs 31bs to 40bs
Ourao to Uyuni, every Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
you can sleep for free in the Uyuni train station when you arrive at Uyuni at 3am!!!
Take a tour at morning time. All tour leave at 10am!!

La Paz terminal有车到Uyuni, 13hrs 60bs , leave at 4pm arround
3 to 4 company run this route ...but La Paz到Uyuni这段路路况很颠簸,too ....
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meyerw
#57
旧 2006-01-16, 22:53
I took bus from Postosi to Uyuni 10:15AM. It supposed to arrive Uyuni around 4 or 5PM. But the bus arrived around 6:30PM. Well, this is quite normal in Bolivia.
The road is unpaved to Uyuni.

I took the bus from San Pedro de Atacama to Santiago which take about 23 hours. It's a long ride, but at least the road is paved.
daren
#58
旧 2006-01-27, 03:55
Salar de Uyuni 盐湖 - Bolivia 玻利维亚 fotos
Salar de Uyuni is top 10 highlight in south America!!



more Bolivia fotos
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/daren102/album?.dir=61c2&.src=ph

Daren@ Las Americas
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meyerw
#59
旧 2006-01-27, 22:56
看了Wranger的说明 & 另外前辈的建议, 特别去找ESMERALDA, 收我460/B for 3 days tour. 其他agent还说可只收我US$55. 他们找一个很老的阿伯. 服务不是很好. 我们同团的其他人都说要post在Lonely planet上. 其实在Uyuni旅行社有很多家, 多看多比较会比较好. 别忘了出发前买卷卫生纸.
wranger
#60
旧 2006-02-05, 09:50
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作者: meyerw
看了Wranger的说明 & 另外前辈的建议, 特别去找ESMERALDA, 收我460/B for 3 days tour. 其他agent还说可只收我US$55. 他们找一个很老的阿伯. 服务不是很好. .. 其实在Uyuni旅行社有很多家, 多看多比较会比较好....
一般说来﹐价钱在3天80美元以下的旅行社的作业模式是﹕找到客户﹑收了钱才打电话询问在他的名单上最常交易的车主(当然是价廉物美的第一优先啰﹗)有无空位﹐若有空位双方就以彼此事先约定的价钱成交﹐向客户收取的费用与付给车主的费用间的差价自然就成了旅行社的利润﹔若无空位则另询第二优先的车主﹐以此类推........在此种情况下﹐想以“多询问几家旅行社”的方式找到好的车主或避开态度不佳的车主是否有用﹐我想各位心中自有答案﹔除非你认识好的车主并且直接与其接洽。