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[土耳其]我和同事三人预计六月中到土耳其玩,一直很想去拜访这个看似神秘又有趣的国家,总共实玩的天数大概有12天(但其中还是要拉拉拉车... ...-O在此先感谢大家帮我看,如果还有想到其他问题再板上请教各位啰 ^^"另外如果有这时段也在土国的朋友 也许也可以一起走喔 !
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旧 [六月]第一次到土耳其自助,想请板上大大帮我看看! - 2008-02-03, 21:36
我和同事三人预计六月中到土耳其玩,一直很想去拜访这个看似神秘又有趣的国家,
总共实玩的天数大概有12天(但其中还是要拉拉拉车...
在这边潜水很久,真感谢大家的分享 !也烦请大大们看看行程有无不妥的地方好吗~先谢谢!
6/7 16.30 到机场
6/8 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/9 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/10 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->蕃红花城 Sanfranbolu(6hrs的车程)
6/11 蕃红花城Safranbolu
6/12 蕃红花城Safranbolu(夜车)->安卡拉(转车4hrs)
->卡帕多奇亚Cappadocia(约4.5hrs的车程)
6/13 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme
6/14 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme(夜车)->棉堡Pamukkal(12hrs的车程)
6/15 棉堡Pamukkal一日游(有两次夜车..故多停一些时间休息)
6/16 棉堡Pamukkal->赛尔柱克Selcuk(4hrs的车程 )
6/17 赛尔柱克Selcuk->艾菲索斯Efesus ->赛尔柱克Selcuk
6/18 赛尔柱克Selcuk->Ismir(国内班机)->伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/19 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/20 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->台湾
因为舍弃不下蕃红花城,所以只好多拉几次车啰, 虽然我是那种连飞机上都睡不好的人,
搭夜车应该也会很辛苦,不过好像也没有其他可以替代的方案.. @@.
(如有也请推荐.. 因为好不容易去了一趟还是希望能节省一些白天拉车的时间)
另外我想请问几个问题
1.这些夜车似乎很容易客满,是否能在伊斯坦布尔一次买好呢(又退/换票手续费有人知道吗??)
2.夜车有没有哪家巴士比较舒适的??
3.此顺时针走法有没有不顺或是太赶的呢?因为我尽量不加其他的点了~
不过除了ismir 地中海沿岸我有没有可以加进来(方便在selcuk前往的?)
在此先感谢大家帮我看,如果还有想到其他问题再板上请教各位啰 ^^"
另外如果有这时段也在土国的朋友 也许也可以一起走喔 !
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It's waste your time, if you stay overnite in Pamukkal. If i were you i would stay cappadocia for recover.
夜车有没有哪家巴士比较舒适的?? You better choose coach company called METRO
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旧 回复: [六月]第一次到土耳其自助,想请板上大大帮我看看! - 2008-02-11, 02:13
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我和同事三人预计六月中到土耳其玩,一直很想去拜访这个看似神秘又有趣的国家,
总共实玩的天数大概有12天(但其中还是要拉拉拉车...
在这边潜水很久,真感谢大家的分享 !也烦请大大们看看行程有无不妥的地方好吗~先谢谢!
6/7 16.30 到机场
6/8 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/9 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/10 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->蕃红花城 Sanfranbolu(6hrs的车程)
6/11 蕃红花城Safranbolu
6/12 蕃红花城Safranbolu(夜车)->安卡拉(转车4hrs)
->卡帕多奇亚Cappadocia(约4.5hrs的车程)
6/13 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme
6/14 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme(夜车)->棉堡Pamukkal(12hrs的车程)
6/15 棉堡Pamukkal一日游(有两次夜车..故多停一些时间休息)
6/16 棉堡Pamukkal->赛尔柱克Selcuk(4hrs的车程 )
6/17 赛尔柱克Selcuk->艾菲索斯Efesus ->赛尔柱克Selcuk
6/18 赛尔柱克Selcuk->Ismir(国内班机)->伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/19 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul
6/20 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->台湾
因为舍弃不下蕃红花城,所以只好多拉几次车啰, 虽然我是那种连飞机上都睡不好的人,
搭夜车应该也会很辛苦,不过好像也没有其他可以替代的方案.. @@.
(如有也请推荐.. 因为好不容易去了一趟还是希望能节省一些白天拉车的时间)
另外我想请问几个问题
1.这些夜车似乎很容易客满,是否能在伊斯坦布尔一次买好呢(又退/换票手续费有人知道吗??)
2.夜车有没有哪家巴士比较舒适的??
3.此顺时针走法有没有不顺或是太赶的呢?因为我尽量不加其他的点了~
不过除了ismir 地中海沿岸我有没有可以加进来(方便在selcuk前往的?)
在此先感谢大家帮我看,如果还有想到其他问题再板上请教各位啰 ^^"
另外如果有这时段也在土国的朋友 也许也可以一起走喔 !

翻红花城如果是早上到的话你只需要待一天.下午或晚上就能走了.因为那里很小.半天就能逛完你想看的所有地方
goreme规划的刚好.
棉堡拉夜车去的话看完夕阳或不看夕阳就能搭车去赛尔柱克了.那里只有棉堡可以看跟玩.
你可以多规划一些地方去玩.你的时间很够.不需要搭飞机回伊斯坦布尔.有点浪费钱.
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Sorry I can't type Chinese... I hope you can understand my reply!

原帖地址: 背包客栈自助游论坛 https://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61973#post605335
1.这些夜车似乎很容易客满,是否能在伊斯坦布尔一次买好呢(又退/换票手续费有人知道吗??)
There is no need to buy all your bus tickets from Istanbul. In fact I don't think it's possible (unless you actually do this through a travel agency... which means they will take a lot of commision from you). Buses are plentiful.... if one is full, just wait, and there will be another bus within a few hours. For short distance (eg Pamukkale to Selcuk, you can most probably just buy it a few hours before departure time). For overnight buses, try to buy it as soon as you arrive at your next destination... Usually however, if you just turn up in the morning, you should be able to buy a ticket for that evening.

Tickets can be changed... and as far as I know, for free. There will probably be a number that you can call to change tickets. However you might need to ask your hotel owner to call for you, as ticket seller on the phone might not speak english.

2.夜车有没有哪家巴士比较舒适的??
Metro and Kamil Koc are most 'famous' because they have buses going EVERYWHERE in the country. While with some of the smaller companies, they might only run in certain areas of the country. There is no major difference between the buses. All buses in Turkey are very new. In fact what I have noticed... Metro and Kamil Koc (which always charge the most) often use older buses for tourists lines... Just because you paid more, doesn't mean you are guaranteed a nicer bus. So in my opinion, just buy the cheapest ticket you can find.

3.此顺时针走法有没有不顺或是太赶的呢?因为我尽量不加其他的点了~
不过除了ismir 地中海沿岸我有没有可以加进来(方便在selcuk前往的?)

Not 太赶 at all. Very comfortable.
My suggestion, Izmir is probably not worth adding. Because it is just another city. Istanbul is better city to visit in terms of tourist sites. Since you have to go through Ankara anyway on the way from Safranbolu to Cappodocia, I suggest stopping here for 1 night. Same as Izmir, Ankara is also not famous with tourist. But I personally found Ankara has a very special 'feel' to it. Being a capital city, it is very cosmopolitian and clean. People here are different to the people in the rest of the country... I don't really know how to explain it. You will just have to go and see. In Ankara you can visit the AnitKabir... where Ataturk's body is laid to rest. The castle is also interesting... with people now turning the areas within the city walls into their homes. The area immediately below the area is always busy & alive and lovely to walk around.

Your next question is about Selcuk....

Selcuk has LOTS to do in the area. Firstly of course efes... Then there is also Virgin Mary's house, Artemis Temple (one of the 7 ancient wonders of the world), a museum which is small but filled with finds from Efes, Isabey Mosque (a mosque believed to be built overnight), and St John Church (where the remains of St John lays. St John was the Saint in charge of looking after Mary after Jesus' death). For such a small town, this town is filled loads intersting stories!
原帖地址: 背包客栈自助游论坛 https://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61973#post605335

Then you can also visit Sirince Village (30 minutes bus from Selcuk)... it is an abandoned Greek village... just like a smaller version of Safranbolu. Sirince is very famous for their cheap fruit wines.

From Selcuk, instead of Izmir, visit Kusadasi (also around 30 minutes by bus). Especially if you don't plan to visit any other 地中海沿岸 cities like Bodrum or Feithiye. Kusadasi is a port town... nice to just walk around for the day (with a decent chinese restaurant in town if you suddenly find yourself missing chinese food!)

There are also beaches that you can visit, either near Selcuk, or in Kusadasi.

If you have time left over, you can consider taking a dap trip to the nearby Greek island of Samos. I think around 50 euros return for a daytrip. This can be arranged from Selcuk easily. (but please check if your passport allows you to visit Greece before you go)

Other possible trips to take from Selcuk, if you are intersted in Roman ruins, is to visit the areas of Didim, Piriene, and Miletus. Bergama is also another place you might want to visit.

12 days is a good amount of time for a first trip to Turkey. I have met many tourist who happily spent 12 days visiting a lot more places then you are planning to do. However, I think your plan is much more comfortable, and you will be able to enjoy your trip a lot more this way as you are not so tired and constantly packing, rushing to catch bus... etc.

Have fun!
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By the way, I agree with May.wa. Safranbolu is very beautiful, but really not that big. Last time my bus arrived 6am... By 9am I saw everything already, including eating breakfast! But I still think it's nice to sleep there for one night... because at night... all the cobbled streets has a different feel to it! Very nice indeed.

Perhaps try this?

6/10 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->蕃红花城 Sanfranbolu(6hrs的车程)
6/11 蕃红花城Safranbolu
6/12 Get up early, catch bus to go to 安卡拉. Then leave your bag in bus station and quickly visit Ankara (should have time to visit Anit Kabir then go to Kizalay and eat something)... then catch evening bus to go to Cappadocia.
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旧 回复: [六月]第一次到土耳其自助,想请板上大大帮我看看! - 2008-02-18, 23:11
hi~ 先谢谢大家给我的好建议 ..你们真好!
重新安排了一下~(时间是参考过去数据 和预估值)
6/8-9 伊斯坦布尔
6/10 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->蕃红花城 Sanfranbolu 可能搭夜车(11.30pm-7.am)
6/11 蕃红花城Safranbolu->安卡拉Ankara(12.15PM-16.30PM)
安卡拉Ankara ->哥乐美Goreme(6-11PM) 宿goreme
6/12 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme
6/13 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme
->棉堡Pamukkale by夜车(6/7.30pm-7.30AM)
6/14 棉堡Pamukkal->赛尔柱克Selcuk(12.30-15.30pm)
6/15 赛尔柱克Selcuk->艾菲索斯Efesus->赛尔柱克Selcuk
6/18 赛尔柱克Selcuk->Kusadasi etc
6/19 (与驴友讨论中 待排 )
6/20 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->台湾(约3pm要到机场)

因为多了一天还没排好 !不知道大家还有没有其他建议 !
中间Safranbolu -Ankara-Goreme 不知道时间安排有没有问题~
一个是不确定Ankara 如暂短停留不到2小时是匆促还是根本不够用~
一个是怕到GOREME 11点 不知会有民宿愿意来带吗?
又要麻烦大家了....虽然假日看了很多数据总是缺了些什么呢~
此帖于 2008-02-18 23:32 被 lullaby177 编辑。 原因: 还没写完~@@
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一个是不确定Ankara 如暂短停留不到2小时是匆促还是根本不够用~

2 hours will be enough for you to buy the bus ticket that goes to Cappodocia, as well as have a snack at the bus station. There will not really be any time for you to travel all the way to Ankara city centre. If you really want to visit Ankara, then consider departing Safranbolu a few hours earlier.

一个是怕到GOREME 11点 不知会有民宿愿意来带吗?

All the 民宿 in Goreme are concentrated around the 'town centre', within walking distance to the bus station. If you have a map, you can easily walk to your accomodation (Goreme, filled with tourists and tourism related shops, you will have no trouble finding someone who can speak english to help you... if you need help) Or, if you have prebooked accomodation, then just give them a call when you arrive at the bus station and someone will come pick you up.
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旧 回复: [六月]第一次到土耳其自助,想请板上大大帮我看看! - 2008-02-23, 23:55
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hi~ 先谢谢大家给我的好建议 ..你们真好!
重新安排了一下~(时间是参考过去数据 和预估值)
...
6/14 棉堡Pamukkal->赛尔柱克Selcuk(12.30-15.30pm)
6/15 赛尔柱克Selcuk->艾菲索斯Efesus->赛尔柱克Selcuk
6/18 赛尔柱克Selcuk->Kusadasi etc
6/19 (与驴友讨论中 待排 )
6/20 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->台湾(约3pm要到机场)

因为多了一天还没排好 !不知道大家还有没有其他建议 !
中间Safranbolu -Ankara-Goreme 不知道时间安排有没有问题~
一个是不确定Ankara 如暂短停留不到2小时是匆促还是根本不够用~
一个是怕到GOREME 11点 不知会有民宿愿意来带吗?
又要麻烦大家了....虽然假日看了很多数据总是缺了些什么呢~
要不要考虑Bodrum,我这趟去意外之间选择了Bodrum前往,
那里真是充满希腊风味的美丽小镇呢!
还有美丽的海上古堡和特别的景色,
不要在星期一的话(因为古堡博物馆休馆),一天刚刚好可以逛完所有景点
(看你要不要参考一下我的行程)
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/silvia-huang/article?mid=1215&prev=1249&next=1180
如果要去的话,那你的行程就会变成:

6/14 棉堡Pamukkal->Bodrum(12.30-17.30pm)
6/15 Bodrum→赛尔柱克Selcuk (晚上,车程约4小时)
6/18 赛尔柱克Selcuk->艾菲索斯Efesus->赛尔柱克Selcuk
6/19 赛尔柱克Selcuk->Kusadasi etc
6/20 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->台湾(约3pm要到机场)
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hi~ 先谢谢大家给我的好建议 ..你们真好!
重新安排了一下~(时间是参考过去数据 和预估值)
6/8-9 伊斯坦布尔
6/10 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->蕃红花城 Sanfranbolu 可能搭夜车(11.30pm-7.am)
6/11 蕃红花城Safranbolu->安卡拉Ankara(12.15PM-16.30PM)
安卡拉Ankara ->哥乐美Goreme(6-11PM) 宿goreme
6/12 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme
6/13 卡帕多奇亚cappadocia/哥乐美Goreme
->棉堡Pamukkale by夜车(6/7.30pm-7.30AM)
6/14 棉堡Pamukkal->赛尔柱克Selcuk(12.30-15.30pm)
6/15 赛尔柱克Selcuk->艾菲索斯Efesus->赛尔柱克Selcuk
6/18 赛尔柱克Selcuk->Kusadasi etc
6/19 (与驴友讨论中 待排 )
6/20 伊斯坦布尔Istanbul->台湾(约3pm要到机场)

因为多了一天还没排好 !不知道大家还有没有其他建议 !
中间Safranbolu -Ankara-Goreme 不知道时间安排有没有问题~
一个是不确定Ankara 如暂短停留不到2小时是匆促还是根本不够用~
一个是怕到GOREME 11点 不知会有民宿愿意来带吗?
又要麻烦大家了....虽然假日看了很多数据总是缺了些什么呢~
伊斯坦布尔-番红花城建议你问metro bus 或safran bus 看有没有23:30以后出发的车
2008/04/04我搭safran bus23:30出发.5点多就到番红花城了@@有点早

番红花城-安卡拉-goreme的时刻表你可以看以下.我有po2008年最新的时刻表
http://www.bbkz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89927
你可以考虑在番红花城直接买安卡拉跟goreme的票.不用担心到goreme会太晚.民宿你可以事先联系.请他们去接.在车站对面有旅客服务中心.只要他们还有人在里面.都会出来跟你说他们可以帮你免费联系酒店.
6/16-6/17没行程吗??
可以考虑去cesme.游泳@@正是时候.再接着去kusadasi etc
伊斯坦布尔没有待2天真的满可惜的.最少一天旧城.一天新城@@也许还不够
时间ok或想血拼洗hamam.edirne真的不错.
http://may-wa.spaces.live.com/default.aspx?mkt=zh-TW&partner=Live.Spaces
这是我第2次去土耳其的行程.希望你能用的上


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